Miss Lisa and Miss Atay
Wednesday, March 12, 2003
so i guess if i were to put it in a presentation....it would go like that.....
we have no diversity because of blah blah blah.....there are no specific counters to come against this specific problem and trend of non diveristy....but we see that the solution would be to blah blah blah.....and to sustain diversity it would require that we have blah blah blah....from blah blah blah....
hopes this makes sense blah blah blah
well then....i know that lis youre trying to get a presentation to franky p before you get here since he'll be in europe....
problem - diversity or rather lack of diveristy
cause to problem - we have gone through the psychological (comfort zone to 3rd world mentality) to sociological (financial, spiritual and sociological peer groups)
solution - Leaders must ernestly believe in diversity. Leaders must be spiritually on pont and trained. Leaders must be mostly american.
sustaining solution - must have ftw's and mv's whose sole focus is creating and maintaining diversity. these mission workers must be mostly american
Tuesday, March 11, 2003
okay comprendeme. i agree, my findings (-though i admit are limited) fall under the same categorization with filipinos in different countries for the most part are not as "educated, established, and prominent" than the ones in the PI, US, and Canada. What do you think Lisa?
I strongly agree that the push has to come from the US because of the position we are in. I tend to get pretty big headed about my Americanness myself, and the "american ego" tends to shine.... but forreal it's not mere egocentrism. the USA is the most powerful nation in the world... not necessarily "the best" but most would agree "most powerful." true, we are rich and more excepting of cultures, and have the much better foreign relation skills.
Monday, March 10, 2003
geez i don;t think i can write less than a 1000 word response to any question unless my only choices are yes or no........
and hahaha this actually might be policy making cause...its going to take that strong of a push for some people to wake up...
ok....ummm...."CFC's background and experience"...of course PI 3rd world...easy enough...3rd world mentality might be a better term...a peoples self confidence can be cut short once moved out of their home environment and are moved into a foreign environment...along with that...from what i've seen, studied and heard many of the filipinos who have migrated to other parts of the world other than the US are in most part domestic helpers and/or laborers....of course as always you guys can prove me wrong on this or site examples where this statement would be false...but calling it like i see it as i so often do....filipinos in other countries outside the US, PI and Canada are not seen as peers by those who originate from the country in which the migrated to.....take for instance japan...we're maids, entertainment, many times aside from CFC the filipinos who are there are prostitutes....so the japanese look down upon us and we are not seen as peers...in the middle east...we're laborers again maids, domestic help..mechanics...we serve the locals.....italy...prove me wrong on this one lis...but many of the people who i know and those who i know through other people follow suit....most of the educated, established, and prominent are from the PI, US or Canada. ....
and i stated that even here in the US ...at a sociological level we are unconsciously seen as not equal to the majority...even though cases have found that financially and educationally we fare better than the 3 major cultures in the US...but this secular non peerness i guess you can say can be counteracted by being on point as leaders....but i mentioned this 3rd world part to show...that our fellow community members in these other countries....are not any kinda of peer....even if they were on point as leaders...they are in no way fashioned to evagelize the locals....again lis....you are from another country so i leave it up to you to prove me wrong.....and all of this was stated to support my belief that in order for CFC worldwide to see diversity it will have to start from the US and therefor starting with US missionaries not PI missionaires who most often carry 3rd world mentality eventhough they come from rich families in the PI....and i don;t know how the PI would take this....since they so often insist we go to the PI for so called "training".....so hope this helps clears confusion instead of adds to it....
again lets just accept the fact that the US is the most pwerful nation on earth and there are reasons for that.....and one is to enable its missionaries to evagelize the world...financially CFC in the PI is the big baller they're in every part of the gov't entertainment you name it....and thats all good and dandy for the PI...but here on the US we quite clearly have better foreign relation skills....and are rich and more excepting of cultures...
again hopes this clears thigs up....i tend not to proofread any of my work...i also rush....and i'm also a fob.....but what can you do....
haha sorry i'm like really pro america right now....but even with that aside i d still believe american and american missionaries hold the key to a diverse CFC worldwide
BRAVO JEFF. Good points- Many of which I didn't even think of!!
Clarify this for me... when you said "...but CFC's background and experience are those of 3rd world country people....filipinos in the world other than US, PI, and Canada are mostly domestic help....they serve those whose country they reside in.....so they are not peers at all...." I didn't catch that one about being domestic help and not being peers.
Lisa- which countries in Europe are not majority Filipino?
so i began to think - 'maybe i should start organizing all these thoughts, maybe start some sort of essay- at least to have it some sort of order and then be able to to add on like that'.... but it's actually more complicated than i thought. like A LOT more complicated. hahah. there's a lot of research that has to be done in order to back up these ideas- many are still "estimates"... and what we are doing is looking at the details, and so it's the details that count for bigger things. i'm thinking tho. of how to organize all this... what kind of format to use, yanno? ...hahaha, it's like "policy-making"... "how to create a bill" ... AHHHHHHH!... hahah.
i think you (lis) brought out a good point on how we ...well some of us try to cater to the non-filipinos in the beginning and then revert back to our original tendencies soon after we have dedicated non-flipino participants...of course there are those who do not cater at all....but anyhow...
workshops dealing with the spiritual needs of non-filipinos....well its more to make the whole cfc community aware of their resposibility to bring Christ to the worlds population, filipino and non. not to just isolate the non-filipinos. workshops can consist of an opening talk of why we were called and chosen to be harvesters...it would be good to mention the fact that there are not many minitries like us within the catholic church and community....and with that we our called to bring light into the world...the whole world...not just the filipino one...otherwise who else is going to do it...but in order to do so....in order to evangelize the world's population things must chnage internally....down to how we even conduct household meetings.....down to even how we tell jokes...
now this is the touchy part....they must see themselves from an outsiders point of view....and you can do this in an open forum kinda way, maybe sometype of work shop...something interactive where its dialogue to not correct behavior....but rather to change it....cause for most part...cfc doesn't think they are doing anything wrong....and they really aren't....filipinos brought them into a catholic ministry based out of the philippines created and run by filipinos....they are only carrying on what was given to them....so we are not correcting anything but changing it to fit the worlds needs since with our growth we can tend to the worlds needs and not solely filipinos needs....since again we seem to be one of few and possibly the only ministry who runs the way we run......so to change to must see what needs changing....and this is where new habits must be formed....which will probably be the hardest part....cause how can we account for these changes once talk and/or workshop is over?.....how do we check these people to see if theyre following through with the changes?...once they go back they go back to the same filipino house hold and what not....
challenges are out there obviously since we still have not solved this diversity issue.....but most important part is showing them their part in bringing Christ to the world...so yeah we will be most effective if we have backing from the catholic leadership here in america....i think its just about imperative that we get that kind of support...that kinda muscle you know....to really show cfc that this isnt to be ignored anymore....and that they can't ignore it....to do so would be morally corrupt
and reality check....this diversity drive... will be solely out of the US....we hold the most educated the most able to promote and sustain diversity...it will have to start from here and then grow out of the US....so to see diversity in other countries...sorry lis....will come after the US...and will have to be driven by US missionaires....not missionaires from the PI....i hope you get what my true point is here....
we are in how many countires now?.....well alot....so we have pieces in the spots where we can evangelize the world...but CFC's background and experience are those of 3rd world country people....filipinos in the world other than US, PI, and Canada are mostly domestic help....they serve those whose country they reside in.....so they are not peers at all....back to this whole issue....so to evagelize the world....the CFC leadership in the PI....must truly see the importance of American missionaries...
the missionaires out of this country will initiate and sustain diversity in the catholic community...and thats just it....so again challenges abound....because the PI likes the fact that theyre "in charge"....so....just another thing to keep in mind...
so maybe there must be a ftw devoted to diversity and also mv's who work towards this purpose as well....
hahaha sorry celeste ...i know you wanted to start pinpointing and hopefully this does help with that....and what you've pinpointed seems to be on point...
but back to the backing from the bishops of the US....the more i think about the more i believe that that support is vital to the success to this mission....
concrete support and evidence must be shown so that there is no room to make any excuses to why we haven't grown in diversity
okay, so let's start pinpointing. we're talking about personal issues, social issues, and spiritual issues... does that about cover it? tell me what else.
personal issues : comfort zones, habits
social/environmental issues : the already established community having difficulty with diversity in the country
spiritual issues : members and leaders in need of a clearer vision of the work they're called to do in their areas/countries, need help is realizing that personal and social issues keep them from evangelizing more effectively
